Qubino for garagedoor?

[lukev]

Hi all,

I would like to add my garagedoor to my domoticz system. The installer of the door mentioned an extra connection for a secundaire device (e.g. a keylock at the outside). Furthermore, the control panel has an addiotional 24v- connection.

I was thinking about using a Qubino flush shutter. Will this work? Here is the connection scheme of the control panel of my garagedoor

[lost]

Hello,

I have a Qubino ZMNHND1, powered by the internal 24V of my Hormann garage door, used for command as well as close sensor:
-24V to power qubino (this module accepts 220Vac or 24Vdc) from an option board power plug.
-Dry contact relay wired in parallel of local push-button for command (the rel input of your second wiring schematic?).
-Closed status from limit switch internal status (DIP switch configurable on door motor control board, 24V present when door reached closed&lock position), wired on qubino I2 input.

Powering the module using control board 24Vdc allows getting closed status without voltage level issues.

This is working very well since almost 2 years. Relay/control side was not subjet to trigger issues and so was I2 status, reported immediately (looks this have been an issue with some qubino firmwares in the past, but not the one embedded in my device).

Only issue I had was setting relay auto off (to have a pulse, like switch button) on qubino was messing domoticz status. So I chose to set auto off on domoticz switch config.

[lukev]

Thanks, but Horman has another controlbox than my garagedoor. So I still don't know if it wil work and how to wire it. Maybe just order a module and try

[lukev]

So, I was advised to buy a Fibaro FGS222 relay switch. But I really don't understand how to connect this device to the garage door

Both connectors "F"have a 24V DC current. If I connect both contacts, the door opens. If I release and connect again, the door stops. If I release and connect for the third time, the door closes. That's the part I understand.

Both connections "I" have only a 24V DC current when the door is operating.

So now what? Does the FGS222 realy operate on 24V DC? I cannot include it within my network. What should be my next step, without blowing up my Fibaro OR garagedoor control panel??

[lost]

So now what? Does the FGS222 realy operate on 24V DC? I cannot include it within my network. What should be my next step, without blowing up my Fibaro OR garagedoor control panel??

Qubino was IMO the only one to operate 24V. Close senss is on another input I suppose.

[zicht]

What i did :
My garage door has a switch pushbutton option installed and a remote.
On the wall i can push the pushbutton on the inside, on the outside i use the remote.

I bought a switch that is compatible with domoticz and has a potential free contact.
(TIP: Look for solarscreen in your search, as they tent to work with diff voltages.)
I mounted this potential free contact in parrallel with my push button.
Next i made sure the contact is only on ("=pushed") for 1 sec otherwise you will never be able to close it again.

Voila all in integrated.
now you can do nice things like : When i drive up to my garagedoor it opens automatic or a fail safe script in case you left the keys inside

[lost]

I bought a switch that is compatible with domoticz and has a potential free contact.
I mounted this potential free contact in parrallel with my push button.
Next i made sure the contact is only on ("=pushed") for 1 sec otherwise you will never be able to close it again.

Voila all in integrated.
now you can do nice things like : When i drive up to my garagedoor it opens automatic or a fail safe script in case you left the keys inside

Just take care that the push-button command mode depends on initial door state and may not be safely used remotely (or out-of-sight) if you don't have the open/close information (better to have the state of the motor command board to avoid external device state that may mismatch & make fail-safe stuff less reliable): You may think the door is close and want to open... but this'll close if the door was open. Same if someone stopped the door using the local push-button.

This is where the Qubino dry contact module, that can be 24Vcc powered, is nice. Because control board usually makes possible to drive options that needs the open/close info (may be called "end of course" signal), like some added security sensors that needs to be powered only when the door is opened. And this info will most probably be a 0/24V level (for a 24V powered control board) that can be sense by a device using the exact same power supply. This'll not be the case for a 220Vac module.

If control board I/Os are not fully documented (manufacturer web site install or diagnose documents, for the door as well as optional devices, are worth a check), you may have to experiment with a multimeter while opening/closing door.

On fail-safe script side, I have an auto-close feature on my side linked to domoticz alarm status (someone here... or not): If door state = open since at least 5mn, and absence, and no "human" movement seen by garage PIR since 2mn: A pulse is sent.

Don't know for sure, as door movement may have been interrupted using local push-button, if this'll close at first attempt (this may fully-open). But if this was not the case, when this time script will trigger next minute, conditions for driving a pulse will still be met and this time door will close.

That's mostly to avoid mistakes from my childs when alone & they get out with their bicycles...

[zicht]

Just take care that the push-button command mode depends on initial door state and may not be safely used remotely (or out-of-sight) if you don't have the open/close information (better to have the state of the motor command board to avoid external device state that may mismatch & make fail-safe stuff less reliable): You may think the door is close and want to open... but this'll close if the door was open. Same if someone stopped the door using the local push-button.

100% Correct.
Thats why i mounted a kaku door switch on top of the door itself. (plan to change to zigbee doorswitch)
When the magnet reached the reedcontact domoticz knows for a fact that the door is closed or open, your solution direct on the board is better.

I have a camera facing both my garagedoor and front door, so i can check before issueing the button in domoticz
In general i am not fan of granting acces thrue any software. So i made a couple of conditions that enable or disable the use of it ... just for my sense of security

[rogerp]

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This is where the Qubino dry contact module, that can be 24Vcc powered, is nice. Because control board usually makes possible to drive options that needs the open/close info (may be called "end of course" signal), like some added security sensors that needs to be powered only when the door is opened. And this info will most probably be a 0/24V level (for a 24V powered control board) that can be sense by a device using the exact same power supply. This'll not be the case for a 220Vac module.
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Hello lost, I've read your posts about automating the garage door with the Qubino module and would like to implement this myself. I have a Hormann Promatic garage door controller/motor.

I think you are using the internal 24Vcc power that is also used by the garage door control board. Could you tell me how exactly you connected the internal power to the Qubino? Did you use a specific connector on the garage door control board or did you use a different cable or ..?

Thanks in advance!

[lost]

I think you are using the internal 24Vcc power that is also used by the garage door control board. Could you tell me how exactly you connected the internal power to the Qubino? Did you use a specific connector on the garage door control board or did you use a different cable or ..?

Hello,

You're correct: I used a connector for an optional radio module (maybe providing more range than the embedded one), if I remember correctly. Don't remember exactly which one, but this was the only 24V that was permanent even when the door was operating, checking with a multi-meter.

I must have a photo of this, will try to find it if needed.

Take care that after a few months, I had to add a pullup resistor (wired to the permanent 24V hereupper) on the Qubino input sensing door state to keep reliable open/close information: As this output is supposed to be used to control an external relay, the 24V measured with no load was probably floating and proved to decrease over time: Don't have Hormann schematics to confirm this but IMO, this output is done by a solid state relay designed to trigger an external option power relay (for heavier loads than the qubino high impedance I2 input that doesn't need this) and only close to 0V the floating point when triggered. So to have reliable detection levels (let's say >10V / 0V) you need a pullup.

Regards

[rogerp]

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You're correct: I used a connector for an optional radio module (maybe providing more range than the embedded one), if I remember correctly. Don't remember exactly which one, but this was the only 24V that was permanent even when the door was operating, checking with a multi-meter.

I must have a photo of this, will try to find it if needed.

Take care that after a few months, I had to add a pullup resistor (wired to the permanent 24V hereupper) on the Qubino input sensing door state to keep reliable open/close information...

Hello,

Thanks for your reply. I installed my Qubino Flush 1D relay on my garage door control board during the weekend and I think I have it all working now. Below is a description of my installation (might be useful for others as well), let me know if there is something I should have done differently.

I would like to know what type of pullup resistor you installed and how you installed it (I don't have an electrotechnical background myself).

My installation steps of the Qubino Flush 1D relay on Hormann Promatic 3 garage door controller
Firstly some pictures of my current installation. I think I will replace the blue and brown wires with other colors later on.





Internal 24V power supply:
I used the power from the External radio receiver on the garage door control board. Below you can see the External radio receiver description from the Hormann manual, including a description of each connector:





Based in this, I connected the External radio receiver to the Qubino module as follows:
- Connector 5 BN/+24V -> Qubino N
- Connector 20 GN/0V -> Qubino L

Command signal
I already have an external impuls button mounted on the wall for opening and closing the garage door. The impuls button is connected to the garage door control board like this:



I connected the external impuls button connectors on the garage door control board to the Qubino module in parallel to my existing external impuls button as follows:
- Relay + connector -> Qubino Q input
- Relay - connector -> Qubino Q output

Door closed signal
Firstly I changed the DIL switch on the garage door control board to be able to receive the closed signal as described in the manual. I set switch B to ON:





I then used the Option relay PR 1 to connect the door closed signal to the Qubino module. In the Hormann manual Option relay PR 1 description:



Based in this, I connected Option relay PR 1 to the Qubino module as follows:
- Connector 0V --> Qubino I2
- Connector 24V --> Qubino N

Domoticz
After including the Qubino module in Domoticz I made some changes.

Configured the hardware parameters as follows:



Hardware parameter 11. had to be configured like this to make sure the relay is automatically turned off. Before I made this change my wall mounted external impuls button was not working anymore, this setting fixed that problem

The Qubino module added 4 devices in Domoticz, including the switch button and sensor:



I added this switch button to my Domoticz switches and set the Switch Type to Push On Button:



I added the sensor to my Domoticz switches and set the Switch Type to Door Contact: