Best smoke detector with RFXCom Topic is solved

[dzjr]

Dear Domoticz & RFXcom friends.

Could you perhaps advise me what the best smoke detector is that I can use with a RFXtrx433XL transcer?

I had the hope that the Alecto SA-30/33 Smoke Detectors would work as indicated in the datasheet, but I don't get it working.
https://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13675
In the RFXmngr I see them just come by when they are hanging anywhere in the house, but in combination with Domoticz I only get an alarm status if the detectors are placed half a meter from the antenna.

I am therefore disappointed in the operation of the combination ....
I think it is because of the SA33, I had already tested a few things with an RFLink, so I have the same problem there .....
And in addition, I also have an outside temperature sensor from a LIDL thermometer, which just comes in.

So to make the purchase of the RFXtrx433XL not a bad buy, I wondered if someone knows another smoke detector for a reasonable price that works with the RFX.

Thank you in advance for thinking along.
dzjr

[ben53252642]

Considering how important a smoke alarm is, my suggestion is to use a wireless protocol that sends a return receipt to the sender.

https://www.vesternet.com/pages/underst ... es-devices

[dzjr]

Considering how important a smoke alarm is, my suggestion is to use a wireless protocol that sends a return receipt to the sender.

https://www.vesternet.com/pages/underst ... es-devices

Thank you for your response, to be honest, I hadn't studied Z-Wave yet, and you certainly convinced me of the added value!

One of the reasons I tried it with the SA-33 detectors was that I have already installed 6 detectors in my home, so I am convinced that smoke detectors are important, which is why I also wanted to link them to Domoticz to send a message to my phone.

I am now looking for a good z-wave smoke detector for my situation.

Thanks again for your response!

dzjr

[ben53252642]

You can also do with Zigbee (both Z-Wave and Zigbee USB dongles are pretty cheap these days).

I'd probably suggest a Z-Wave.me UZB USB stick.

https://z-wave.me/uzb/

[dzjr]

You can also do with Zigbee (both Z-Wave and Zigbee USB dongles are pretty cheap these days).

I'd probably suggest a Z-Wave.me UZB USB stick.

https://z-wave.me/uzb/

I already use Zigbee components in the form of IKEA Tradfri, so to avoid any problems it seems to me that Z-Wave is the best solution.

Does the ZWAVE.ME stick have advantages over, for example, an AEON LABS stick?

[lost]

I am now looking for a good z-wave smoke detector for my situation.

Hello, I have 2xFibaro FGSD-002 since almost 3 years. They are small & good looking and did not caused any problem for now (power consumption OK, never had to change batteries, smooth & reliable inclusion).

Only drawback is they are a bit expensive, bought mine during a discount & regret not having 2 more (for my garage & basement).

You have the usual smoke sensor + (as usual for z-wave device, most of them have several functions on top of base/advertised one) internal temp sensor that can be used for alarm trigger (for instance, reaching 45°C can give a earlier alert than smoke) for other purpose (heaters regulation...).

Only regret: Not being able to trigger the alarm directly from a switch. Combined with external alarm siren, if these one could be triggered inside at the same time this would have been a nice added function.

[dzjr]

I am now looking for a good z-wave smoke detector for my situation.

Hello, I have 2xFibaro FGSD-002 since almost 3 years. They are small & good looking and did not caused any problem for now

I had already seen the Fibaro detectors, found at Reichelt for just a little less that € 50, and am going to order two to start.
They are certainly not cheap, but I saw Heiman smoke detectors on aliexpress that are around € 25, I think I will order one to try.


Of course in real testing it is difficult, so it is also difficult to say that they work well or not, because I hope never to get a fire.

[lost]

Of course in real testing it is difficult, so it is also difficult to say that they work well or not, because I hope never to get a fire.

You can smoke under the detector (with a hear protection helmet!).

Be aware that Fibaro device will send a "end of detection" event (a "start" would be fire!) at first wake-up interval after inclusion. Same if controller is rebooted and/or communication was seen broken by the device, for instance when device have sent some temperature change that were not acknowledged by controller: It's IMO a clever use of the side function of the device to make user aware of some possible radio range/propagation issues twice a day.

You'll see these events if you setup some notifications (mail...) on the fire detection attached switch.

[Hanss]

Interesting topic..
I also like to add a question that leans in to this topic.
Al the smoke detectors that I have used are not stable enough or even reliable after a year.
This also counts for the Flamingo smoke detector range (my personal experience).
In addition to that, recharging the batteries is also something that you don’t want to do. Usually the battery low sound/notification goes of in the night instead of the afternoon

At last but not least. I don’t want to take the risk with AliExpress smoke detectors, because if something happens, the insurance company will find a way trying to wriggle out of payment.

So here is my question: Are there also cheap smoke detectors (433 MHz) compatible with Domoticz that support a battery life time of 5 – 10 years? And is there a updated (HCL – hardware compatibility list available)?

Thank you in advance for your answer.

Hans

[dzjr]

Hello Hans,

I finally opted for pure smoke detectors for the smoke detector, but a combination of three brands.
Fibaro Smoke detectors in the hallway (and later in the kitchen due to temperature sensor)
Heimann Smoke Detectors (Aliexpress) for secondary / additional detection near the washing machine, in the shed, near the boiler, in the attic etc.
and Popp Smoke Detectors / Sinere in the bedrooms / living room, mainly because this can also cause the siren to be triggered by another smoke detector.

I personally found it very disappointing that with the Fibaro and Heimann smoke detectors you cannot send an alarm trigger to these detectors ...

I also have two SA33 alecto smoke detectors close to the Domoticz server / RFlink receiver, but the range is just poor with RFlink.

I have more Alecto detectors here, but I don't use them ....
You can link that, and then trigger it as one group in Domoticz, if you want.

Greeting
dzjr

[Hanss]

Hello dzjr,

Very strange, but I did not receive an e-mail in regards to your feedback (so sorry for the delay).

At Bol.com there are Alecto SA-100 for sale for a decent price, with a battery lifetime of 5 years.
Do you know if those will work with Domoticz (e.g.: start/stop alarm from a distance, because of my dogs)?

I have a 433 RFXCOM module with a extended antenna, so this should not be a problem.
Personally I am not keen of buying smoke detectors from Aliexpress, because of the insurance company.
If the insurance company can find a way trying to wriggle out, they will do it (sorry sir those smoke detectors are not certified..).

Thank you for your reply.
Best regards,

Hans

[dzjr]

Hi Hans,

Has happened to me sometimes, if you do not turn the check mark on ....

I have a number of SA-33 left over ......, they are 433mhz but they don't work well with domoticz / RFlink etc.

They can be linked, and if you put the master close to the receiver you can receive an alarm in domoticz and thus send a push message.
You can also trigger them externally to alert.
I don't think you can pause them.

For the chinese heimann detectors I understand your point, I also use them as extra detectors that will certainly not have a detector in an average Dutch house.

[Hanss]

Hi dzjr,

That is too bad. I think it's better to switch to 'smart certified smoke detectors' that work with Wifi and a simple smartphone notification app.
There is not a lot of development in regards to Domoticz and smoke detector compatibility.
I think I have to reconsider to switch to a different Domotica platform.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Hans