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Buying Greenwave or Fibaro plugs?

Posted: Saturday 19 December 2015 22:38
by Plantje
I can buy some Greenwave power nodes and wall plugs with energy measurement for not too much money. I have a few questions:

I am running Domoticz on Windows and I would need a Z-Wave USB controller for this to work. Any advice on decent controllers? I live in the Netherlands.

If I have a power node or a wall plug, how will the energy usage be visible in Domoticz? Same as my current energy usage as I get it from my smart meters (through my Toon device)? Just in a graph and stored in the central database?

Any huge advantage to go for the Fibaro wall plugs rather than the Greenwave ones? The Fibaro ones are way more expensive.

Thanks!

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Saturday 19 December 2015 22:57
by ThinkPad
I had those Greenwave plugs, but didn't like them: http://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=9372
See reviews in http://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=50 for other plugs. I have posted two others there (EM6550, POPP, both on/off only. Bought themfrom domotica-shop.nl). Also have Eminent EM6552 / Everspring AN158 which work great and also have power measurement.

Yes, power measurement is presented in the same way indeed.

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Saturday 19 December 2015 23:19
by Plantje
Thanks! They are thus cheap that it is perhaps worth a shot. But I'll give it some more thought.

Good to see that power measurement is presented in the same way.

I just started using Domoticz and domotica all together a few weeks ago and I have the idea that I can spend a lot of money on this :)

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Saturday 19 December 2015 23:24
by ThinkPad
Save yourself the time and buy others, if i may advise you.
Especially because you just started, you want nodes that work as repeaters, so your Z-wave network gains strength. The Greenwaves don't help with that.

If you don't need energy measurements, this is a good alternative for the Greenwave: http://www.domotica-shop.nl/123627-popp ... 16596.html Yes, it is a BE/FR version, but if you also live in NL like me, it doesn't matter. If you have a look at the plugs of your devices, you will see that most of them already have a hole for that earth pin. And flat 2-pin connectors from lights etc will also fit without problems.

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Saturday 19 December 2015 23:36
by Plantje
Hmmm... ok, I thought all Z-wave products worked as repeaters... I now see that from the review as well yes.

I like the design of the Fibaro ones. And they seem easy to use. The price of the Eminent EM6552 is close to the Fibaro one.

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 0:22
by Egregius
My Greenwave wirks perfect and repeats. Don't know why Thinkpad had issues with it, maybe a Monday model?

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 10:40
by jannl
My greenwaves work perfect as well. Since I only have 2 greenwave plugs in my zwave network I don't have any experience with repeating

So if they are really cheap I would give it a try.

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 10:42
by ThinkPad
Egregius wrote:My Greenwave wirks perfect and repeats. Don't know why Thinkpad had issues with it, maybe a Monday model?
If you look at your mesh diagram carefully, you will see that the Greenwave plugs only repeat eachother and NOT other nodes like Fibaro / Aeon.
That is something i really don't like, it is something that clashes with the benefits of Z-Wave.

Apart from that, 2 out of the 4 plugs i had weren't stable. But might be better at others.

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 11:22
by Egregius
In the mesh view it shows connected to 37 of 42 nodes. Not so bad I think.

Re: Greenwave

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 11:23
by ThinkPad
Egregius wrote:In the mesh view it shows connected to 37 of 42 nodes. Not so bad I think.
Yes, it will connect itself to other nodes, but if you hover with your mouse on a Greenwave plug, you will only see lines of that plug going to other nodes. No incoming lines (other colors) from other nodes.

You can see it clearly:
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We can see that node 15 is connecting to other nodes, but no other nodes are connecting to this node.
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We can see that node 4 is accepting incoming connections from others and thus, is repeating like it should

Re: Buying Greenwave or Fibaro plugs?

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 12:02
by Egregius
Well, I have a different view.

Node 61 = Greenwave 6 plug
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Node 13 = Danfoss LC13
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Node 17 = Qubino Flush dimmer
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Node 70 = Fibaro Wall plug
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Node 48 = Fibaro Smoke detector
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Node 47 = Fibaro Door contact
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Node 26 = Fibaro motion sensor
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I would also like to bring http://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7528 to the attention again...

Re: Buying Greenwave or Fibaro plugs?

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 12:06
by ThinkPad
That looks correct indeed. Maybe it has something to do with the signal strength then, because you have a lot of nodes which makes it easier for nodes to connect to eachother.

Re: Buying Greenwave or Fibaro plugs?

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 12:10
by Egregius
Thank you :)

I would conclude that maybe the quality control at Greenwave isn't as strict as it should be and that therefore parts 'manufactured on Monday' ship out.
But you'll see that with lot's of other supliers to. I had DOA with Kaku, Fibaro and Qubino to.

Re: Buying Greenwave or Fibaro plugs?

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 12:11
by IDANIT
I have Greenwave Power Node 6 and it works like charm, with repeating. Maybe repeating problem occurs only on wall plugs? Or maybe it is a problem with the previous version NP210, mine is NP310?

Re: Buying Greenwave or Fibaro plugs?

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 12:47
by ThinkPad
IDANIT wrote:I have Greenwave Power Node 6 and it works like charm, with repeating. Maybe repeating problem occurs only on wall plugs? Or maybe it is a problem with the previous version NP210, mine is NP310?
Could be indeed, i had Greenwave NS210-F

Re: Buying Greenwave or Fibaro plugs?

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 12:58
by Egregius
Mine is alsa a NS210-F. I guess the same of yours Thinkpad, from that deal couple off weeks ago @Robbshop http://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9020

Re: Buying Greenwave or Fibaro plugs?

Posted: Sunday 20 December 2015 15:55
by Plantje
Cool! Thanks for the elaborate responses guys!