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Suddenly all sensors from the RFXtrx433 stopped working

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Suddenly all sensors from the RFXCOM / RFXtrx433e stopped working. Mostly temperature and humidity sensors. I don’t have access to the HW, as the installation is on my summer house. Is there a tool for troubleshooting, like RFXmanager for Linux? Running on Raspberry Pi 2 / Jessie. I dont think the problem is Domoticz related, as everything else is working as expected.

My RFXCOM433 has been stable for a couple of years without any issues. Did a RFXTRX firmware update from Domoticz but this did not do any difference.

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2018-11-11 20:48:38.135 Status: RFXCOM: Worker stopped...
2018-11-11 20:48:38.141 Status: RFXCOM: Worker started...
2018-11-11 20:48:39.146 Status: RFXCOM: Using serial port: /dev/serial/by-id/usb-RFXCOM_RFXtrx433_A1Z6SH9H-if00-port0
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 subtype = Interface Response
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Sequence nbr = 2
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 response on cmnd = Get Status
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Transceiver type = 433.92MHz
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Firmware version = 1025
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Firmware type = Ext2
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Hardware version = 1.3
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Undec off
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 X10 disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 ARC enabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 AC enabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 HomeEasy EU disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Meiantech/Atlantic disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Oregon Scientific enabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 ATI/Cartelectronic disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Visonic disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Mertik disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 AD enabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Hideki disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 La Crosse enabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Legrand disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 MSG4Reserved5 disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 BlindsT0 disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 BlindsT1 disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 AE enabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 RUBiCSON disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 FineOffset enabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Lighting4 enabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Conrad RSL disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 ByronSX disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 IMAGINTRONIX disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 KEELOQ disabled
2018-11-11 20:48:41.171 Home Confort disabled
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Version: 4.10181
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dzVents Version: 2.4.7
Python Version: 3.4.2 (default, Oct 19 2014, 14:03:53) [GCC 4.9.1]

USB details:
pi@raspberrypi:~ $ ./usb.sh
/dev/ttyUSB0 - RFXCOM_RFXtrx433_A1Z6SH9H
/dev/sda - Kingston_DataTraveler_3.0_08606E6B6615F1818723E51E-0:0
/dev/sda1 - Kingston_DataTraveler_3.0_08606E6B6615F1818723E51E-0:0

* Does anybody have any tip and can guide me in the right direction troubleshooting this?
* RFXManager for Linux?
* Other Linux commands I can run to check RXFCOM hardware?
* Possible to shut down a USB port from remote incl the power from the USB port, to reset the RFXtrx?
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Re: Suddenly all sensors from the RFXtrx433 stopped working

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Teknor wrote: Sunday 11 November 2018 21:16 Suddenly all sensors from the RFXCOM / RFXtrx433e stopped working. Mostly temperature and humidity sensors. I don’t have access to the HW, as the installation is on my summer house. Is there a tool for troubleshooting, like RFXmanager for Linux? Running on Raspberry Pi 2 / Jessie. I dont think the problem is Domoticz related, as everything else is working as expected.

* Possible to shut down a USB port from remote incl the power from the USB port, to reset the RFXtrx?[/b]
Did you try shutdown -r to reboot your RPI ?
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Re: Suddenly all sensors from the RFXtrx433 stopped working

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Thanks for your reply.

Only tried sudo reboot.

What do the shutdown do? Will I be able to switch the RPI on again?
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Teknor wrote: Monday 12 November 2018 0:26 Only tried sudo reboot.
What do the shutdown do? Will I be able to switch the RPI on again?
shutdown an reboot are both symbolic links to /bin/systemctl
sudo shutdown -r and sudo reboot do exactly the same.
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waaren wrote: Monday 12 November 2018 0:48 shutdown an reboot are both symbolic links to /bin/systemctl
sudo shutdown -r and sudo reboot do exactly the same.
Thanks for clarification. Dont think that will take me any further.

What are people's experience with the RFXTRX433 when it comes to reliability over time?
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In most cases this is a bad sensor transmitting RF noise due to an almost empty battery (mostly a X10 MS13) or a weather sensor filled with water.
See also chapter 20 in the RFXtrx User Guide.
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Thanks - will have a look at the chapter 20. Did not know there is a user guide...

@b_weijenberg that could be a solution. More than 10 sensors stopped working at the same time Nov 9th, 0930. One sensor stopped working a few weeks before that. Will change all sensor batteries and see if this makes any difference.
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Looks like the solution was in Chapter 20. Sensors are now reporting back to Domoticz, but the weather station is not. Probably because the batttery powering the weather station has gone from weak to dead and not jamming with 433 messages anymore.
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b_weijenberg wrote: Monday 12 November 2018 12:45 In most cases this is a bad sensor transmitting RF noise due to an almost empty battery (mostly a X10 MS13) or a weather sensor filled with water.
See also chapter 20 in the RFXtrx User Guide.
Thnx, I got this problem and couldn't understand what it was. After finding this I took in my rain meeter and pulled the batteries and to my delight my temperature sensors was now possible to read.
Rain meeter was soaking wet so let's se it it starts working properly when dried or if I need a now one.
Thnx again.
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norlin wrote: Monday 04 December 2023 16:01
b_weijenberg wrote: Monday 12 November 2018 12:45 In most cases this is a bad sensor transmitting RF noise due to an almost empty battery (mostly a X10 MS13) or a weather sensor filled with water.
See also chapter 20 in the RFXtrx User Guide.
Thnx, I got this problem and couldn't understand what it was. After finding this I took in my rain meeter and pulled the batteries and to my delight my temperature sensors was now possible to read.
Rain meeter was soaking wet so let's se it it starts working properly when dried or if I need a now one.
Thnx again.
Same problem there some time ago. My Oregon Scientific died after 3 years perfect working and then it was permanently jamming the complete 433 Mhz band
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Which brings me to another question.

When I remove the battery from a Temp/Hum meter and replace the battery it will receive another IDX.
So my temperature readings from 2+ years will be broken.
Is there a possibility to assign a IDX number to a device?
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Therefore there is a replace function under the edit button.
https://www.domoticz.com/wiki/Managing_ ... ace_device
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How simple can it be.
RTFM as usual.
Thanks @waltervl!

BTW Never wondered what that Replace buttons' intentions would be.
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b_weijenberg wrote: Monday 12 November 2018 12:45 In most cases this is a bad sensor transmitting RF noise due to an almost empty battery (mostly a X10 MS13) or a weather sensor filled with water.
See also chapter 20 in the RFXtrx User Guide.
I've been having trouble with my three Oregon Scientific temp/humidity sensors (viewtopic.php?t=41116). I've changed all the batteries and only one of them has ever been outside. Even when the outside sensor is off (no batteries), one of the other sensors consistently fails to report its readings to Domoticz (unless I switch off the Byron protocol and then it works fine) but is picked up fine by the Oregon Scientific monitor.

Now I've come across this post and am starting to wonder if a neighbour's sensor could be on a very low battery or full of water, perhaps? I've got 4 "Unknown" sensors in my Devices page which updated several hours ago, 3 of them with rather odd temperatures showing:

Screenshot 2023-12-06 at 18-04-52 Domoticz.png
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I'm afraid not, this was the reason I eventually got rid of all my 433Mhz stuff, even when all batteries are good there is no "listen before send" so everthing just transmits at it's own default time interval which always drifts so periodically 2 or more devices overlap and just cause corrupt data, this is especially noticeable with temp sensors that usually update every minute !
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Dave21w wrote: Friday 08 December 2023 12:16 I'm afraid not, this was the reason I eventually got rid of all my 433Mhz stuff, even when all batteries are good there is no "listen before send" so everthing just transmits at it's own default time interval which always drifts so periodically 2 or more devices overlap and just cause corrupt data, this is especially noticeable with temp sensors that usually update every minute !
Thanks for your thoughts. What type of temperature sensors do you now use and anything you can especially recommend?

I recently bought a TUYA temp/humidity sensor as I was so frustrated, mainly with the tiny screen size of the 433Mhz devices which are all so difficult to read as you get older! But the TUYA sensor is rubbish! Two weeks in and the batteries are getting low, awkward to set up (with TinyTUYA app and plugin - had to disable 5Ghz on router) and the sensors report sporadically. I also specifically wanted to monitor a steamy bathroom to prevent mould growing but the TUYA sensor humidity reading is often 10-15% lower than the 433Mhz sensors (different brands of 433Mhz are reasonably close to each other).
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All my devices are now zigbee, battery life is great and providing you have a few mains powered switches or sockets around which will act as repeaters the signal range is very good. Battery powered zigbee devices sleep until they need to send data however they all listen before sending so no data collisions.
I also have a few bluetooth low energy temp sensors and use the "openmqttgateway" to get the data into Domoticz.
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Dave21w wrote: Monday 11 December 2023 13:04 All my devices are now zigbee, battery life is great and providing you have a few mains powered switches or sockets around which will act as repeaters the signal range is very good. Battery powered zigbee devices sleep until they need to send data however they all listen before sending so no data collisions.
I also have a few bluetooth low energy temp sensors and use the "openmqttgateway" to get the data into Domoticz.
THanks
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