Camera advise (newbe question)

[gerpol]

I'm currently using a security camera that makes use of the Tuya platform.
I would like to replace it with a new one that does not make use of any external servers.
I'm quite a newbe in this area, any advise on types/protocols/brands?
As an example, I flashed my Tuya switches with Tasmota, do camera's also work with Tasmota?

Thanks,
Gerrit.

[hyeronimo]

Hi Gerrit,

you might want to have a look at thingino.com, a project to replace the cloud firmware of several camera types with open source firmware that can be managed locally. I don't know if all of them integrate in domoticz, which needs a jpg image stream I think.

[waltervl]

There are lots of cameras that do not need subscription or cloud access. Google for it. See for example https://www.howtogeek.com/smart-securit ... d-storage/

For integration with domoticz the camera needs to supply a snapshot ImageURL = URL for making a snapshot image, not a video stream.
See also https://wiki.domoticz.com/Camera_Setup

[gerpol]

There are lots of cameras that do not need subscription or cloud access. Google for it. See for example https://www.howtogeek.com/smart-securit ... d-storage/

For integration with domoticz the camera needs to supply a snapshot ImageURL = URL for making a snapshot image, not a video stream.
See also https://wiki.domoticz.com/Camera_Setup

thanks, very valuable.

Hi Gerrit,

you might want to have a look at thingino.com, a project to replace the cloud firmware of several camera types with open source firmware that can be managed locally. I don't know if all of them integrate in domoticz, which needs a jpg image stream I think.

Sounds great, not sure if my current camera is suitable, it's wifi name is dgiot, so I assume it uses https://dgiot.github.io, but no idea whether that will help me to reflash.

[lost]

thanks, very valuable.

Note that in this list, Amcrest is a subset of Dahua. Base brand may propose much more references depending on your needs and many can be found on AE with nice pricing.

I have replaced over years all IP cams from other brands I had for Dahua because they can easily be compelled to your LAN (blocked all in/out WAN access in your router FW, toggles for remote stuff that'll need manufacturer cloud and protocols/API handling, setting a dummy GW IP etc...) without unexpected issues showing up + you can find their HTTP API documentation on the net if you have specific needs (in addition to very basic video support in Domoticz, that is not supposed to be a NVR) & ablilty to write some specific code that'll fit your needs.

They also can be configured from their internal web server using a standard web browser (no smartphone only config from an application that may lack support in a few years/mobile OS versions)... and, let's not forget the basics, propose many image shooting configurations to fit location/seasonal constraints (WDR, setting ranges for speed/gain combos to better fit some difficult exposures and get best possible blur/noise compromise, especially at night ; possibility to completely disable IR light if not needed or use remote ones that'll not attract insects close to the lense for outside use & will lead to many false captures etc etc...). Internal motion capture configuration is quite rich even for basic ones in the 50/60€ range (some have IA based features), day/night separate configurations (auto switch based on lux or may be done through API based on current sunset/dawn times) as image tuning needs are completely different. They have FTP and all current references should also provide SFTP (even SSH can be activated, but with a very limited shell/command set). Some have better low light performance, usually branded as "Starlight", but always better to check compare sensitivity (sensor used + usually better on a 4MP device than a 8MP ; in the past some 2MP devices were so good at this you could easily switch off IR & work from nearby street lights, but looks such sensors do not exist anymore).

[gerpol]

I’ve now purchased a PICOO DUAL D1, but unfortunately the web interface does not work. Port 80 is open, but it doesn’t return anything useful.
RTSP on port 554 works fine with VLC, so I can view the video stream, but I can’t control the camera through it.
I can control the camera using the DMSS app, but that’s not what I intended, since it relies on cloud services, which I want to avoid.

[lost]

That's often (and more and more) the case for such consumer grade products. That's why I adviced to go with brands on the professional market: Dahua compares with Axis without the heavy pricing...

Take care they also sell consumer grade products tagged IMOU: Same crap as yours, there's a https port open (as well as rtsp for local video monitoring) but not serving configuration pages and looked only used by their cloud-API to be only configurable using their dumbphone application (through a cloud account): Fortunately this one was not purchased directly in China from AE but locally from Amazon so I was able to send this shit back to seller.

You can also find copies if their HTTP API on the web, like here for a quite recent one:
https://files.best-web.sk/share/dahua_http_api_v326

As you can see, possibilities are huge with good devices starting in the 50/60€ price range. So really no time to loose to reverse-engineer closed and remote APIs.

[gerpol]

I'm a bit confused now, as the PICOO DUAL D1 is from Dahua (https://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/ ... /P5D-5F-PV) I bought it on your advise. If I go to their website, the manuals tells me about the web interface option, but in the end the product does not support it.
Luckily I also bought it locally, so I can send it back, but what to choose next?

[waltervl]

If the camera does not work according its manual you have to ask the supplier what is wrong. Perhaps you missed an installation step?

[gerpol]

If the camera does not work according its manual you have to ask the supplier what is wrong. Perhaps you missed an installation step?

of course, I'm waiting for their answer.

[gerpol]

The manufacturer replied, answering the camera indeed does not support a web-interface. So I can conclude that the information on their website is wrong. Surprisingly ONVIF worked, I tried with Cayenue which worked in a way. But without web-interface I can not control parameters without the app, so I will send it back.
After some further exploration I found TP-Link might be a better alternative, I will keep you updated.

[habahabahaba]

You can try ODM - https://sourceforge.net/projects/onvifdm/
Software to control devices through ONVIF

[lost]

I'm a bit confused now, as the PICOO DUAL D1 is from Dahua...

Strange, but on your link I don't find info about what's supposed to be supported (only smartphone through their app).
For a device I have, very good at night sensivity but no more sold, datasheet is quite clear in protocols section:
https://www.tssgroup.sk/buxus/docs/data ... asheet.pdf

Sorry if there is now also to be careful with this brand... was no aware.

[gerpol]

You can try ODM - https://sourceforge.net/projects/onvifdm/
Software to control devices through ONVIF

only Windows as far as I can see, I need macOS or Raspberry Pi.

[gerpol]

I'm a bit confused now, as the PICOO DUAL D1 is from Dahua...

Strange, but on your link I don't find info about what's supposed to be supported (only smartphone through their app).

If you go to downloads and then quick start guide, it is explaining the web interface.

For a device I have, very good at night sensivity but no more sold, datasheet is quite clear in protocols section:
https://www.tssgroup.sk/buxus/docs/data ... asheet.pdf

Sorry if there is now also to be careful with this brand... was no aware.